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        <title>You Can&#8217;t Create Community in a Box</title>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:53:05 +0000</pubDate>

                <dc:creator>Adam Duvander</dc:creator>

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        <description><![CDATA[In August Tim O&#8217;Reilly asked is linking to yourself the future of the web? He was referring to a trend to self-link rather than link out to an obvious external page that would be more appropriate. For example, rather than link to O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s article above, I could have linked Scott&#8217;s coverage on Webmonkey. It&#8217;s debateable [...]]]></description>

            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- wpautop enabled -->In August Tim O&#8217;Reilly asked <a href="http://radar.oreilly.com/2008/08/is-linking-to-yourself-the-future-of-the-web.html">is linking to yourself the future of the web</a>? He was referring to a trend to self-link rather than link out to an obvious external page that would be more appropriate. For example, rather than link to O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s article above, I could have linked <a href="http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/_Roach_Motel__Links_Threaten_to_Undermine_Web_Foundations">Scott&#8217;s coverage on Webmonkey</a>. It&#8217;s debateable which is more useful, but it&#8217;s obvious to me that the user expects the original.</p>
<p>I noticed this same self-linking when I was researching the <a href="http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/8_Simple_Tools_for_Better_Bookmarking">8 Simple Tools for Better Bookmarking</a>. Several of the sites, which aimed to generate discussion about the bookmarks, forced users to first visit a comment and meta-data page. For example, here&#8217;s an intermediate page on <a href="http://twine.com">Twine</a>:</p>
<p><img class="blogimg" src="http://howto.wired.com/mediawiki/images/Twine-intermediate.png" alt="Twine page about a bookmark" class="full" /></p>
<p>I got to this page from a web industry twine. I chose the story from a list of other links by clicking its headline. I expected the headline to go to the original article, not this overview page. I&#8217;m not denying that such a page has value. It provides a good summary and a place to discuss the article. But many users will want to read the original before reading or writing comments.</p>
<p>It takes an extra effort for me to click through to the intermediate page, then find the full link way down the page. Worse, it breaks my expectations.</p>
<p>Twine is not the only one with this issue. Social bookmarking site <a href="http://clipmarks.com/">Clipmarks</a> and developer site <a href="http://www.dzone.com/">dzone</a> link to an intermediate page. <a href="http://www.diigo.com/">Diigo</a> links to itself only from front page stories.</p>
<p>Each of these services may have a perfectly good reason for self-linking. If the purpose is to encourage users to participate in discussion, this is the wrong way to to it. Consider the popular communities of <a href="http://digg.com/">Digg</a> and <a href="http://reddit.com/">Reddit</a>, where comments for each entry thrive despite not linking as obviously to the internal page.</p>
<p><img class="blogimg" src="http://howto.wired.com/mediawiki/images/Digg-link.png" alt="Digg page links directly to article" class="full" /></p>
<p>The headline links to the article, as expected, but there&#8217;s always the &#8220;comments&#8221; link if the user has something to say, or wants to read the discussion. One reason Digg and Reddit have a community may be because they don&#8217;t stand in the way of users and the content that the community gathers around. Let your users out of your box. Tear down the walls and don&#8217;t force them into internal pages. You may just see better results.</p>
<p>[<em>Disclosure: Reddit is owned by CondeNet, the parent company of Webmonkey and Wired.</em>]</p>
<p><strong>See also:</strong></p>
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<li><a href="http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/_Roach_Motel__Links_Threaten_to_Undermine_Web_Foundations">&#8216;Roach Motel&#8217; Links Threaten to Undermine Web Foundations</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/Digg_Links_Bring_Free_Access_to_Wall_Street_Journal_Content">Digg Links Bring Free Access to Wall Street Journal Content</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/Google_Requests_No_Funny_Stuff_With_Dynamic_URLs">Google Requests No Funny Stuff With Dynamic URLs</a></li>
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